posted 07/25/03 by rob-ART
If you recall my
results posted on the 17th of
was just a little faster than the GeForce4 Ti. At
ATI's suggestion, I reran Quake3 and Unreal
Tournament 2003 at 1600x1200.
I see why ATI
asked me to do this. At 1024x768, the Radeon 9800
only had a 7% advantage over the Geforce4 Ti. At
1600x1200, the advantage jumps to 77%.
Again, I see the
light. The Radeon 9800's jumps from an 8%
DISadvantge to the GeForce4 Ti at 1024x768 to a 66%
advantage at 1600x1200.
I also ran at
1280x1024 since some of you can't set your LCD or
CRT display to 1600x1200.
1. The higher rez
test results made a believer out of me! If you are
running professional 3D fly-throughs and "just for
fun" 3D hardware accelerated games at high
resolutions (1600x1200), 32 bit color, high quality
texture/geometric settings, the
Mac Edition (and Radeon 9700 Pro) is MUCH
faster than any other retail graphics card
available for the Mac (past or
likely that the G5 with its 8X AGP Pro slot,
faster system bus and faster CPU will allow the
BTO version of the Radeon 9800 Pro to go even
faster. We will post the G5 results on this
page as soon as we can get our sticky paws on
2. As I said
above, at 1024x768, the Radeon 9800 only had a 7%
advantage over the Geforce4 Ti (4600) when running
Quake3. At 1600x1200, the advantage jumps to
Unreal Tournament 2003, the Radeon 9800 jumps
from an 8% DISadvantge to the GeForce4 Ti at
1024x768 to a 66% advantage at 1600x1200.
3. I complained
in my previous
because the retail version of the Radeon 9800
Pro comes with DVI, VGA, and S-Video ports.
Personally, I prefer the ADC/DVI configuration
offered on Apple's BTO version for the G5 Power
believes that's what most retail buyers will
want. If your email is any indication, they may
be mistaken. Bare Feats readers voted 3 to 1 in
favor of ADC/DVI.
I have dual
ADC displays on my production system. It has the
Radeon 9700 Pro ME which features DVI and ADC
ports. I use Apple's
$99 DVI to ADC
to drive the second ADC display off the DVI
retail 9800 Pro, I can only run one ADC display
using my DVI
to ADC adapter.
The only way I can use the second ADC display is
to pop for the $300 Gefen
VGA to ADC
Even if you
have only one ADC display, you'll need a DVI to
ADC adapter ($99 from Apple
or $95 from Dr.
to use it with the Radeon 9800 Pro ME
9/10/03 -- Many
of you have written me puzzled why ATI's retail
Mac version of the Radeon 9800 Pro does not come
with ADC connector and 8X support. I shared
your puzzlement. Here's an explanation from
for the G4 is different from the G5. The
power connector on the motherboard is not in the
same place. Therefore the following is
ADC cards will not fit into a G5 at
cards fit into a G4, but the ADC power tab
will not be connected - and the cards won't
cards that can work on both machines are
NON-ADC AGP 4x cards" (like the retail
Radeon 9800 Pro ME)
4. Since my 22"
Cinema Display only runs at 1600x1024, I borrowed a
VP211b 21" Flat Panel
It's a very bright, clear screen. It even pivots 90
degrees. Why? So, along with ATI's Versavision
software that comes with the Radeon 9800 Pro, you
can easily convert the screen from a "landscape" to
a "portrait" display.
I prepared a
chart below to highlight its features compared to
20" and 23"
as well as the Formac
20" Cinema Display
HD Cinema Display
little as $1229
for DVI to ADC
Displays manufactured before February 2003 had a
pixel response of 40ms. Since then, they have
that many of you will be buying the hot new 20"
and 21" non-Apple LCD's with both VGA and ADC
connectors like the Viewsonic and Formac LCDs.
the new POLLING QUESTIONS:
1. Does your display support 1600x1200?
2. What resolution do you run at most of the
3. Is your display from Apple or another
4. If you plan to buy a new display within the
next year, will it be an Apple display or third
party? If so, what size (diagonal display area)
will it be?
your answers and I'll pass your comments on to
my contacts at ATI.
LINKS TO OTHER
RADEON 9800 PRO TESTS
You can order the
retail Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition (4X/2X AGP)
direct from ATI's
for $399. Ask about their trade-up
The 9800 Pro for Mac will soon be available from
and from Buy.com.
to order your G5 Power Mac with the 8X Pro AGP
version of the Radeon 9800 Pro.
17", 20", and 23" LCD
are available at the Apple
or your local Apple dealer.
available from Fry's Electronics store ($1399) or
CompUSA ($1367). Or order online from
($1499) or Buy.com
($1229 - search on "Viewsonic VP211b").
is available direct from Formac.
The Power Mac
G4/1.42MP with 2GB of DDR memory and OS X (10.2.6)
was the test mule. Cards tested on it
Radeon 9000 Pro
with 64MB of 128bit DDR and 4 render
with 128MB of DDR and 4 render pipes (2 texture
units per pipe)
Radeon 9800 Pro
with 128MB of 256bit DDR and 8 render
Radeon 9700 Pro
with 128MB of 256bit DDR and 8 render
for details on the tests reflected in the